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what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by kayneoTheRisingWarrior on Sat Jan 17, 2015 6:52 pm

Do you like what is doing in boxing?

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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by TeamJohnPerretti on Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:09 pm

Good and some not so good. Alot is still to be determined though as he moves forward with his boxing series on NBC.

To Haymon's credit his fighters think he's great. I've heard a few sports writers say that current and former fighters of his on and off the record don't have anything bad to say about him.

Alot of Haymon hate is because of mismatches he gets his fighters. His job as an advisor is to get his people the most money for the easiest matches though. The tv companies should be blamed for buying the fights with those mis-matches.

And some of those mis-matches may have been strategic by Haymon.He had his company in a holding pattern for a year and didnt want his fighters to lose while he was planning out the deal with NBC.
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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by iforgotmypassword on Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:10 pm

Al Haymon is on record as stating he is trying to follow the UFC model.

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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by TeamJohnPerretti on Sat Jan 17, 2015 7:49 pm

In some ways he wants to follow the model.

A difference is that fighters he advises make big money, also he's talking about using a profit sharing system for the fighters on the NBC series
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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by kayneoTheRisingWarrior on Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:56 pm

I don't like what is trying to do. Showtime boxing got play by haymon.Showtime got no boxing schedule since haymon fighter move to NBC.

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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by PRIDE4EVER on Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:27 pm

Al Haymon is a fucking piece of shit! The Dana white of boxing. He used HBO then they told him to fuck off now he used showtime and when its all said and done NBC will be used up too.

The mismatches suck to like we are suppose to be impressed that your fighter beat a can on showtime yet avoids the hard fights. Fuck Al Haymon, Fuck Floyd Mayweather, and Fuck NBC for giving him a new deal.
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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by TeamJohnPerretti on Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:12 pm

PRIDE4EVER wrote:The Dana white of boxing.


Haymon's current and past fighters on and off the record speak well of him. They also make millions of dollars. In the new series on NBC he is going to use a profit sharing system.

That's totally different than Dana.

I'm not saying Haymon is perfect. He rightfully has many critics on a number of issues.
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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by TeamJohnPerretti on Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:16 pm

PRIDE4EVER wrote:when its all said and done NBC will be used up too.

Fuck NBC for giving him a new deal.


How is NBC going to be used up?

NBC also didn't give him a tv deal. NBC isn't paying, Haymon is.

It's a time buy situation.

Haymon paid 20 million for the time on network NBC and also for time on the cable NBC sports station.
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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by nodogoshi on Mon Jan 19, 2015 3:03 am

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:
PRIDE4EVER wrote:when its all said and done NBC will be used up too.

Fuck NBC for giving him a new deal.


How is NBC going to be used up?

NBC also didn't give him a tv deal. NBC isn't paying, Haymon is.

It's a time buy situation.

Haymon paid 20 million for the time on network NBC and also for time on the cable NBC sports station.
I don't know the exact details, but I think that the head of marketing at NBC (I guess for the particular division) described it specifically as 'not a time buy' to Eddie Goldman on one of his recent podcasts. He did so in the context that NBC is itself invested in a multi-year situation. Is that anything like the Zuffa-Fox arrangement I wonder?

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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by TeamJohnPerretti on Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:45 am

nodogoshi wrote:
that the head of marketing at NBC (I guess for the particular division) described it specifically as 'not a time buy' to Eddie Goldman on one of his recent podcasts. He did so in the context that NBC is itself invested in a multi-year situation


I don't know the exact definition of a "time buy" in the tv world but Haymon is paying 20 million and taking almost all the risk in this situation, NBC isn't paying any money to Haymon.




"While HBO and Showtime pay millions for their top fights, NBC is not paying a rights fee for the bouts. Multiple sources have told ESPN.com that Haymon's organization, backed by big-money investment firms, has purchased the time on the networks for at least $20 million a year with millions more earmarked for promotion and marketing."

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id/12167253/nbc-sports-signs-multiyear-deal-haymon-boxing
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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by TeamJohnPerretti on Mon Jan 19, 2015 10:52 am

nodogoshi wrote:
Is that anything like the Zuffa-Fox arrangement I wonder?



FOX is paying the UFC. UFC is not paying for airtime.

Haymon is paying NBC. Instead of getting paid by the network Haymon will make the money off tv commercials. He's put all the money out front betting that his events will do well in ratings.

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Re: what your opinion of al haymon in boxing?

Post by nodogoshi on Mon Jan 19, 2015 11:47 am

I television station (or any business) charging less than is typical for a particular service or good is precisely equivalent to that company (i.e. the television station) paying money.

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