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Post by nodogoshi on Thu Feb 19, 2015 4:48 pm

Hamilcar wrote:So, I suspect it has Eastern religion origins like some other occult symbols.  

Hell, even swastikas are from Japan (and have entirely different meaning in Japan). They are related to Japanese Buddhism.

I was shocked the first time I came to Japan, when I saw a bunch of 'swastikas'. They aren't all over the place, but in some Buddhist places they are quite present. They are vertical though instead of diagonal.

I don't know if these are the same swastikas, or what the true source of the Nazi symbol is. But just a little additional perspective, leading off your point (good post, I just quoted the relevant bit).

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Post by CDF47 on Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:14 pm

Hamilcar wrote:
fatty wrote:
iforgotmypassword wrote:We might see a new champ. Look at this

http://illuminatiwatcher.com/decoding-illuminati-symbolism-the-all-seeing-eye/




I am some how not surprised yet very disappointed at the same time in cat.z for this image. I just lost respect for her now, I actually kinda liked her. Such a pity. Time to throw this guy in to this thread I suppose...


Good ol benson Henderson loves showing us a triangle  before & after his fights without any media scrutiny what so ever. I have yet to hear some one...anyone especially benson Henderson explain the precise meaning of his triangle hand signals. I speculate its a weird illuminati cult thing but please can some one correct me if I am wrong.


I am sick of the one eye thing!  I was just in a Chinese store today and saw some Chinese celebs doing it on magazine covers too!  UGH!  So now, Zingano is a useful idiot for Them, too, now, huh?  But why Zingano?  If anyone, you would think Rousey would be in on it first.


About Henderson's triangle thing, that is a Gracie jujitsu thing.  Or at least they think it is.  Of course it's a Freemason/Illuminati cult symbol.  But the Gracie's use it and think it their own.  Henderson, is just an ignorant user of it.  And yes, he was asked about it before (on the The UFC HOUR), it looked like he honestly had never heard of the Illuminati.
The same hand symbol is used in Taekwondo as part some poomses.  So, I suspect it has Eastern religion origins like some other occult symbols.  

Yeah, sucks Zingano is another useless idiot. I would of thought Rousey would have jumped on this first as well.

Yeah, Bendo may be doing the Gracie BJJ thing.

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Re: People in mma that are dodgy....

Post by CDF47 on Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:17 pm

fatty wrote:Thanks for the info Hamilcar I am honestly relieved a little that this Benson Henderson is not another weirdo cult member but its still suspect to me because famous people doing hand signals these days is just not cool. It does usually mean something sinister to most people like with cat zhingano. I just don't want to know anything more about her now. If she wins her upcoming fight or loses now I just don't care. Before I saw that image she had my respect but no more.
And thanks again folks for not deleting this thread & my comments in general. I ask you ...considering the speculative anti zuffa , anti corporate, anti corruption, anti genocide (war ion terror my ass!) anti greed nature of my talk ...how quickly would my comments last on ANY other mma forum?
I think my comments would disappear quicker than a fart in a hurricane if I tried to speak this stuff any where else so thanks for letting me speak.  

Speak away...Most members on this site are fans of the truth.

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Re: People in mma that are dodgy....

Post by CDF47 on Thu Feb 19, 2015 7:19 pm

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:Rafiel Torre


He was very, very popular on the UG(mma.tv), did work for the tv coverage of King of the Cage and some other media stuff. Also a 1-0 fighter.

Then he choked to death the husband of some girl that he was sleeping with. Gerald Strebendt(UFC Fighter)(1) eventually helped testify against him and get him convicted.




"Rafiel Torre was convicted in Rancho Cucamonga, Calif.'s West Valley Superior Court Thursday for the December 2001 murder of Bryan Richards, the husband of Torre's former mistress.


The 11-woman, 1-man jury, which began deliberations on the case Monday, also ruled Torre's killing of Richards was made for financial gain — Richards had a $1 million life insurance policy — leaving open the possibility that Torre could receive the death penalty. The prosecution, however, has decided against pursuing this option. Instead, he will likely be sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole.*


Covered by trash bags and wheeled dollies, Richards was found in the bed of his pick-up truck parked in a local supermarket parking lot. He was murdered by what prosecutors described as a "lion killer" choke (in MMA vernacular a "rear-naked” choke).


Torre, 40, trained and taught Brazilian jiu-jitsu under the guise of being a black belt in the grappling sport, but later admitted that his credentials were inflated. He fought just once, a dubious February 2001 submission victory in King of the Cage versus Ioka Tianuu.


While testifying, Torre — known in mixed martial arts circles as a part-time reporter, personality, broadcaster and fighter — alleged that his girlfriend, Angelina Richards, was in fact responsible for her 32-year-old husband's death, but that at her behest he aided in covering up the murder.


"That was her idea, not mine," Torre testified."



http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Torre-Guilty-of-Murder-Prosecution-Wont-Seek-Death-Penalty-3275




(1)In a side note. He's currently in court for shooting a man to death in Oregon after getting into a car accident. Gerald also was the first fighter to execute Eddie Bravo's Twister in a MMA match.

Damn, that's a crazy story.

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Re: People in mma that are dodgy....

Post by fatty on Thu Feb 19, 2015 10:42 pm

nodogoshi wrote:
Hamilcar wrote:So, I suspect it has Eastern religion origins like some other occult symbols.  

Hell, even swastikas are from Japan (and have entirely different meaning in Japan). They are related to Japanese Buddhism.

I was shocked the first time I came to Japan, when I saw a bunch of 'swastikas'. They aren't all over the place, but in some Buddhist places they are quite present. They are vertical though instead of diagonal.

I don't know if these are the same swastikas, or what the true source of the Nazi symbol is. But just a little additional perspective, leading off your point (good post, I just quoted the relevant bit).

Went to look at the swastikas symbols you speak of & I found this image....

All of these are various swastikas from around the world &
apparently these symbols are any thing but evil ! heres a link that explains better...
https://aratta.wordpress.com/the-history-of-the-swastika/ I had no idea...
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Re: People in mma that are dodgy....

Post by Hamilcar on Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:52 am

fatty wrote:
nodogoshi wrote:
Hamilcar wrote:So, I suspect it has Eastern religion origins like some other occult symbols.  

Hell, even swastikas are from Japan (and have entirely different meaning in Japan). They are related to Japanese Buddhism.

I was shocked the first time I came to Japan, when I saw a bunch of 'swastikas'. They aren't all over the place, but in some Buddhist places they are quite present. They are vertical though instead of diagonal.

I don't know if these are the same swastikas, or what the true source of the Nazi symbol is. But just a little additional perspective, leading off your point (good post, I just quoted the relevant bit).

Went to look at the swastikas symbols you speak of & I found this image....

All of these are various swastikas from around the world &
apparently these symbols are any thing but evil ! heres a link that explains better...
https://aratta.wordpress.com/the-history-of-the-swastika/ I had no idea...

Yeah, good ol' China is like that too when you see Buddhist architecture and sculptures. I already knew the history of the symbol before I got there and would feign ignorance calling the statue of the god racist. Whoever was with me would get confused and I would have to explain the joke to them. Nazi's don't figure into the Chinese cultural memory very much.
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Re: People in mma that are dodgy....

Post by fatty on Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:55 pm

I have said a lot of what I wanted to say in this thread with regards to zuffa , their polotics & every thing else they get up to. MMA generally is tainted with all kinds of dodgy people supported fully by their ever grinning media. I want just to add a few more things here though. I would like to propose a scenario & a few more questions to members here. Imagine if this happened tomorrow...



What would happen if the ufc announced tomorrow that they are bankrupt? For what ever reason. Would this mean that mma would become popular again & that fighters would get better pay & that all would be well because another promotion would step up & improve where ufc failed? Who would replace ufc?...

In steps Bellator.
I've kind of mentioned else where on this forum  but i'll say it again here. NOTHING would change imo.  Bellator is ufc 2.0. They support the same filthy polotics that the ufc does. They have very deep pockets just like ufc & they have declared this in media recently as they try to tempt Brock Lesnar to their promotion & Fedor also. I have no doubt that Bellator has a lot of money to throw around but  iforgotmypassword made a thread here recently showing bellator fighters getting paid $1000 for a fight.
Here...http://www.global-mma.com/t11787-julia-budd-made-more-than-shlemenko

So I'm trying to suggest is that the problems in MMA is not just zuffa but instead a sick corporate culture that these people belong to. Corporate culture is itself a disease that has infected this entire world in many many ways & they wont lose any sleep over what they are & what they do.....
Your thoughts are welcome.
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Post by God of Thunder on Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:15 pm

^ The biggest problem with the sport is the zuffa version of mma and how they present martial arts. Getting rid of Ufc is only positive.
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Post by stu3ufc on Fri Feb 20, 2015 6:37 pm

If UFC did go banrupt and Bellator became number 2 you have no idea what changes they would make

With coker in charge I'm sure he'd run it like strikeforce...but I dont trust Viacom... they would have fighters still fighting for fuck all money on the prelims

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Feb 20, 2015 7:17 pm

fatty wrote:I have said a lot of what I wanted to say in this thread with regards to zuffa , their polotics & every thing else they get up to. MMA generally is tainted with all kinds of dodgy people supported fully by their ever grinning media. I want just to add a few more things here though. I would like to propose a scenario & a few more questions to members here. Imagine if this happened tomorrow...



What would happen if the ufc announced tomorrow that they are bankrupt? For what ever reason. Would this mean that mma would become popular again & that fighters would get better pay & that all would be well because another promotion would step up & improve where ufc failed? Who would replace ufc?...

In steps Bellator.
I've kind of mentioned else where on this forum  but i'll say it again here. NOTHING would change imo.  Bellator is ufc 2.0. They support the same filthy polotics that the ufc does. They have very deep pockets just like ufc & they have declared this in media recently as they try to tempt Brock Lesnar to their promotion & Fedor also. I have no doubt that Bellator has a lot of money to throw around but  iforgotmypassword made a thread here recently showing bellator fighters getting paid $1000 for a fight.
Here...http://www.global-mma.com/t11787-julia-budd-made-more-than-shlemenko

So I'm trying to suggest is that the problems in MMA is not just zuffa but instead a sick corporate culture that these people belong to. Corporate culture is itself a disease that has infected this entire world in many many ways & they wont lose any sleep over what they are & what they do.....
Your thoughts are welcome.

Some good points

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Re: People in mma that are dodgy....

Post by God of Thunder on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:18 am

fatty wrote:I have said a lot of what I wanted to say in this thread with regards to zuffa , their polotics & every thing else they get up to. MMA generally is tainted with all kinds of dodgy people supported fully by their ever grinning media. I want just to add a few more things here though. I would like to propose a scenario & a few more questions to members here. Imagine if this happened tomorrow...



What would happen if the ufc announced tomorrow that they are bankrupt? For what ever reason. Would this mean that mma would become popular again & that fighters would get better pay & that all would be well because another promotion would step up & improve where ufc failed? Who would replace ufc?...

In steps Bellator.
I've kind of mentioned else where on this forum  but i'll say it again here. NOTHING would change imo.  Bellator is ufc 2.0. They support the same filthy polotics that the ufc does. They have very deep pockets just like ufc & they have declared this in media recently as they try to tempt Brock Lesnar to their promotion & Fedor also. I have no doubt that Bellator has a lot of money to throw around but  iforgotmypassword made a thread here recently showing bellator fighters getting paid $1000 for a fight.
Here...http://www.global-mma.com/t11787-julia-budd-made-more-than-shlemenko

So I'm trying to suggest is that the problems in MMA is not just zuffa but instead a sick corporate culture that these people belong to. Corporate culture is itself a disease that has infected this entire world in many many ways & they wont lose any sleep over what they are & what they do.....
Your thoughts are welcome.
North american mma isn´t great at the moment, there are better promotions in europe and asia that should be in charge. Especially the hybrid kickboxing/mma promotions represent combat sports in a good way.
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Post by CDF47 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:40 am

Golden Age wrote:
fatty wrote:I have said a lot of what I wanted to say in this thread with regards to zuffa , their polotics & every thing else they get up to. MMA generally is tainted with all kinds of dodgy people supported fully by their ever grinning media. I want just to add a few more things here though. I would like to propose a scenario & a few more questions to members here. Imagine if this happened tomorrow...



What would happen if the ufc announced tomorrow that they are bankrupt? For what ever reason. Would this mean that mma would become popular again & that fighters would get better pay & that all would be well because another promotion would step up & improve where ufc failed? Who would replace ufc?...

In steps Bellator.
I've kind of mentioned else where on this forum  but i'll say it again here. NOTHING would change imo.  Bellator is ufc 2.0. They support the same filthy polotics that the ufc does. They have very deep pockets just like ufc & they have declared this in media recently as they try to tempt Brock Lesnar to their promotion & Fedor also. I have no doubt that Bellator has a lot of money to throw around but  iforgotmypassword made a thread here recently showing bellator fighters getting paid $1000 for a fight.
Here...http://www.global-mma.com/t11787-julia-budd-made-more-than-shlemenko

So I'm trying to suggest is that the problems in MMA is not just zuffa but instead a sick corporate culture that these people belong to. Corporate culture is itself a disease that has infected this entire world in many many ways & they wont lose any sleep over what they are & what they do.....
Your thoughts are welcome.
North american mma isn´t great at the moment, there are better promotions in europe and asia that should be in charge. Especially the hybrid kickboxing/mma promotions represent combat sports in a good way.

Agreed

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Post by CDF47 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:43 am

Golden Age wrote:^ The biggest problem with the sport is the zuffa version of mma and how they present martial arts. Getting rid of Ufc is only positive.

The UFC vision of the sport sucks. They want the entire sport around the world to look and sound like UFC. No ring, no alternative rule set, just and Octagon under unified rules all over the world. F**k that. I like fights in ring and cage under the Asian rule set and under Unified rule set. UFC is holding 45 events per year around the world trying to make this happen which has already way over saturated their own product and drastically hurt the quality of their cards. I wish ring events under Asian rules would start showing up in bulk and becoming major league orgs.

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Re: People in mma that are dodgy....

Post by Hamilcar on Mon Feb 23, 2015 7:57 pm

fatty wrote:I have said a lot of what I wanted to say in this thread with regards to zuffa , their polotics & every thing else they get up to. MMA generally is tainted with all kinds of dodgy people supported fully by their ever grinning media. I want just to add a few more things here though. I would like to propose a scenario & a few more questions to members here. Imagine if this happened tomorrow...



What would happen if the ufc announced tomorrow that they are bankrupt? For what ever reason. Would this mean that mma would become popular again & that fighters would get better pay & that all would be well because another promotion would step up & improve where ufc failed? Who would replace ufc?...

In steps Bellator.
I've kind of mentioned else where on this forum  but i'll say it again here. NOTHING would change imo.  Bellator is ufc 2.0. They support the same filthy polotics that the ufc does. They have very deep pockets just like ufc & they have declared this in media recently as they try to tempt Brock Lesnar to their promotion & Fedor also. I have no doubt that Bellator has a lot of money to throw around but  iforgotmypassword made a thread here recently showing bellator fighters getting paid $1000 for a fight.
Here...http://www.global-mma.com/t11787-julia-budd-made-more-than-shlemenko

So I'm trying to suggest is that the problems in MMA is not just zuffa but instead a sick corporate culture that these people belong to. Corporate culture is itself a disease that has infected this entire world in many many ways & they wont lose any sleep over what they are & what they do.....
Your thoughts are welcome.

I always linked the low pay in MMA with the simple fact that MMA isn't popular enough to pay the fighters. I have always heard that starting and running an MMA org is a money losing operation. If the sport became huge, then the fighters can make alot of money. But now, the orgs (with the exception of the UFC (I don't know how much Viacom money Bellator truly has access to)) can only afford to pay their fighters a few thousand.
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Re: People in mma that are dodgy....

Post by fatty on Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:22 pm

Hamilcar wrote:
I always linked the low pay in MMA with the simple fact that MMA isn't popular enough to pay the fighters.  I have always heard that starting and running an MMA org is a money losing operation.  If the sport became huge, then the fighters can make alot of money.  But now, the orgs (with the exception of the UFC (I don't know how much Viacom money Bellator truly has access to)) can only afford to pay their fighters a few thousand.

The more money promotions seem to make (these two promotions anyways) the more they rob the fighters....sad but true I'm afraid. This is the power of the corps that back them, they have the final word in all things.
When ufc looks in the mirror they see bellator. Evil or Very Mad
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