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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by God of Thunder on Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:22 am

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I'd do the same as this, but I'd drop the qualification of 'JMMA org', and I'd also get rid of elbows on the ground.

I'd consider eliminating stomps as well.

Perhaps I'd take OneFC, put it in a ring, and get rid of elbows on the ground (I think elbows on the feet are good though. That's a legitimate technique from Muay Thai and requires a lot of skill. I'm no fan of elbows on the ground though. I think they are just a method of bludgeoning people, are not representative of skill, and lead to cuts which potentially shorten careers. They also allow people to not have their arms as much exposed to submissions--contrary to a more level playing field.)

Those rules sound good as well but I like elbows on feet and ground because they are another tool in a fighters arsenal.  I hate taking tools away from fighters unless it is for good safety reasons, like headbutts, strikes to the spine and back of the head, eye gouging, groin strikes, small joint manipulation,........  Elbows have proven to be safe, only a handful of fights in the UFC or other major orgs have been stopped due to elbow cuts, and they are another important weapon in MMA so I prefer them.
Even if the fights aren´t stopped due to cuts from elbows on the ground they ruin fights. Elbows on the ground is the biggest reason to cuts and the fighters can´t see with blood pouring down their eyes and the it looks like trash with all the blood in the cage/ring.

I seen cuts from punches, knees, and kicks that were just as bad.  MMA is a bloody sport and a very tough sport.  It's definitely not for everyone.
Elbows on the ground cause much more cuts than other strikes. I understand you enjoy it but imo open wounds and blood doesn´t belong in martial arts. The bloodsport approach to combat sports is trash and belongs in Ultimate cagefighting.

Mma is a fight sport. From the beginning modern mma was designed to resemble an actual fight. Obviously rules need to be implemented for fighter safety to make this an actual sport. Rules need to protect the fighters and keep the fight within a reasonable time frame. So I fully support many of the rules that do this; such as, no strikes to the back of the head or spine or groin......  Elbows are no more dangerous than punches....knees...or kicks and are a very important weapon in a fighters arsenal... Especially for the fighters who really know how to use them effectively.  There is then no point in taking this effective weapon away. Elbows... punches...knees...and kicks all cause cuts and KOs and are all important in a fight.  For people that don't like blood from cuts...there is always badminton...as punches...knees..elbows...and kicks all cause cuts and blood.
Elbows causes much more cuts!! You and me want completely different versions of mma. I want classy athletes that showcase their skills and you want the low class just bleed bloodsport.
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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by iforgotmypassword on Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:30 am

american wrestlers ruined mma

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by stu3ufc on Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:02 pm

so what if elbows cause cuts

this is VALE TUDO

not american safe fighting

getting punched/ kicked and kneed causes cuts as well

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by iforgotmypassword on Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:54 pm

Standing elbows are okay. Since those are apart of a TMA like Muay Thai. Elbows on the ground is gang fighting. No TMA teaches that garbage. It's strictly a american made move to please the just bleed tapout douche.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by Hamilcar on Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:45 pm

stu3ufc wrote:so what if elbows cause cuts

this is VALE TUDO

not american safe fighting

getting punched/ kicked and kneed causes cuts as well

So Stu says Americans are safety conscious when fighting and iforgotmypassword says that us Americans are the 'Just Bleed" bloodsport lovers. Can we please stop equating my country with what you hate?
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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by iforgotmypassword on Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:49 pm

I am american. Doesnt change the fact that cheap elbow on the ground were invented by D1 wrestlers trying to stall the fight and do superficial damage. I dont watch sports to see who can make the other guy bleed the most.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by God of Thunder on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:15 pm

iforgotmypassword wrote:I am american. Doesnt change the fact that cheap elbow on the ground were invented by D1 wrestlers trying to stall the fight and do superficial damage. I dont watch sports to see who can make the other guy bleed the most.
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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by stu3ufc on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:18 pm

get rid of the boring wrestlers who stall

dont get rid of pefectly good attacks and weapons

This is fighting

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by stu3ufc on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:22 pm

listen yeah if you ran the perfect MMA org the last thing you would do is fucking hire guys like jon fitch, nik lentz, jake shields

no one wants to see blankets fights.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by megaronnie on Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:38 pm



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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by nodogoshi on Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:27 pm

stu3ufc wrote:get rid of the boring wrestlers who stall

dont get rid of pefectly good attacks and weapons

This is fighting

The ruleset has a direct effect on the tactics.

Or you suggest just banning wrestlers? I don't know about that one.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by CDF47 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:03 pm

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Even if the fights aren´t stopped due to cuts from elbows on the ground they ruin fights. Elbows on the ground is the biggest reason to cuts and the fighters can´t see with blood pouring down their eyes and the it looks like trash with all the blood in the cage/ring.

I seen cuts from punches, knees, and kicks that were just as bad.  MMA is a bloody sport and a very tough sport.  It's definitely not for everyone.
Elbows on the ground cause much more cuts than other strikes. I understand you enjoy it but imo open wounds and blood doesn´t belong in martial arts. The bloodsport approach to combat sports is trash and belongs in Ultimate cagefighting.

Mma is a fight sport. From the beginning modern mma was designed to resemble an actual fight. Obviously rules need to be implemented for fighter safety to make this an actual sport. Rules need to protect the fighters and keep the fight within a reasonable time frame. So I fully support many of the rules that do this; such as, no strikes to the back of the head or spine or groin......  Elbows are no more dangerous than punches....knees...or kicks and are a very important weapon in a fighters arsenal... Especially for the fighters who really know how to use them effectively.  There is then no point in taking this effective weapon away. Elbows... punches...knees...and kicks all cause cuts and KOs and are all important in a fight.  For people that don't like blood from cuts...there is always badminton...as punches...knees..elbows...and kicks all cause cuts and blood.
Elbows causes much more cuts!! You and me want completely different versions of mma. I want classy athletes that showcase their skills and you want the low class just bleed bloodsport.

No for the most part we have a similar vision for the sport. Only difference is I prefer the more traditional version dating back to the earlier days with the rules that keep the fighters safe but allow them the most weapons to use.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by stu3ufc on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:05 pm

nodogoshi wrote:
stu3ufc wrote:get rid of the boring wrestlers who stall

dont get rid of pefectly good attacks and weapons

This is fighting

The ruleset has a direct effect on the tactics.

Or you suggest just banning wrestlers? I don't know about that one.

I said dont sign boring fighters known for stalling. No one wants to see them...

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by CDF47 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:07 pm

iforgotmypassword wrote:Standing elbows are okay. Since those are apart of a TMA like Muay Thai. Elbows on the ground is gang fighting. No TMA teaches that garbage. It's strictly a american made move to please the just bleed tapout douche.

Elbows on the ground are not garbage. I have seen them used very effectively in mma to do damage and finish fights. They are an important weapon in mma and in fighting.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by CDF47 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:08 pm

stu3ufc wrote:get rid of the boring wrestlers who stall

dont get rid of pefectly good attacks and weapons

This is fighting

Agreed

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by CDF47 on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:10 pm

Sucks watching boring lay n pray fighters. The timidity rule needs to be enforced on these guys

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by iforgotmypassword on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:26 pm

elbows on the ground is pure savagery. How can you have one night tournaments with guys all cut up like they were in a bar fight with Edward Scissor hands? That is human cock fighting.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by stu3ufc on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:40 pm

iforgotmypassword wrote:elbows on the ground is pure savagery. How can you have one night tournaments with guys all cut up like they were in a bar fight with Edward Scissor hands? That is human cock fighting.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by kayneoTheRisingWarrior on Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:45 pm

iforgotmypassword wrote:Elbows on the ground is gang fighting. No TMA teaches that garbage. It's strictly a american made move to please the just bleed tapout douche.
No TMA teach that garbage beside that isn't real consider technique.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by rezin on Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:15 am

iforgotmypassword wrote:elbows on the ground is pure savagery. How can you have one night tournaments with guys all cut up like they were in a bar fight with Edward Scissor hands? That is human cock fighting.

Ya we wouldn't savage techniques like that in our mma org.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by iforgotmypassword on Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:37 am

Look at those wrestlers trying to stall getting deaded. That is the pinnacle.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by Audax on Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:58 pm

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3 weight categories with open ranges: 185-240, 145-180, 115-140

What do you guys think of this idea? Maybe it would help get rid of dangerous weight cutting.
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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by CDF47 on Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:08 pm

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3 weight categories with open ranges: 185-240, 145-180, 115-140

What do you guys think of this idea? Maybe it would help get rid of dangerous weight cutting.

I would like less weight classes. Something like below:

FLW: 125
FW: 145
LW: 165
MW: 185
LHW: 205
HW: 265


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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by kayneoTheRisingWarrior on Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:43 pm

AudaxSynth wrote:
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3 weight categories with open ranges: 185-240, 145-180, 115-140

What do you guys think of this idea? Maybe it would help get rid of dangerous weight cutting.

I like the idea. MMA has problem with weight class.

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Re: create your own concept of mma

Post by fatty on Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:28 pm

kayneoTheRisingWarrior wrote:
AudaxSynth wrote:
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3 weight categories with open ranges: 185-240, 145-180, 115-140

What do you guys think of this idea? Maybe it would help get rid of dangerous weight cutting.

I like the idea. MMA has problem with weight class.

Agree. I like this idea. Some thing new needs to be done that's for sure... stinks that evolution is so damn slow I wish some more people in charge would just try to do some thing new or different in terms of weight limits.
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