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Post by Hamilcar on Thu May 14, 2015 9:31 pm

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Post by Hamilcar on Fri May 15, 2015 10:20 pm

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Post by Hamilcar on Sun May 17, 2015 12:05 am

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Re: Sumo Thread

Post by nodogoshi on Sun May 17, 2015 7:36 am


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Post by Hamilcar on Mon May 18, 2015 10:30 pm

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Post by Hamilcar on Tue May 19, 2015 10:40 pm

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Spoiler:
Haha! Gagamaru beats a yokazuna!
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Post by Hamilcar on Wed May 20, 2015 10:09 pm

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I would never want to sit ringside of a sumo event.  It looks dangerous.
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Post by Hamilcar on Thu May 21, 2015 10:31 pm

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Re: Sumo Thread

Post by nodogoshi on Fri May 22, 2015 2:46 am

Interesting basho so far. It's still a bit up in the air.

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Post by Hamilcar on Sat May 23, 2015 1:36 am

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This is the first time I have watched sumo. It is definitely growing on me. I am enjoying it. But, I do not know about the rules. Alot of sumos get ringed out at the same time. How do they determine who wins?
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Post by nodogoshi on Sat May 23, 2015 1:46 am

You lose if you exit the ring (doyo) or if anything but the bottom of your feet touches the ground.

No closed fists are allowed.

Otherwise there are few rules.

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Post by nodogoshi on Sat May 23, 2015 1:48 am

Sometimes there's a rematch of it's indeterminable. I think there is video replay. The person to touch down or go out first is the loser.

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Post by Hamilcar on Sun May 24, 2015 1:29 am

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Re: Sumo Thread

Post by nodogoshi on Sun May 24, 2015 5:40 am


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Post by nodogoshi on Sun May 24, 2015 5:53 am

Crazy tournament, to be sure.

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Post by nodogoshi on Sun May 24, 2015 7:35 am

Spoiler:
I just noticed that Terunofuji is quite a new comer. He is only 23, and this was just his 8th tournament in Makuuchi (the top division), and just his 26th tournament overall. The last tournament was his first at Sekiwake (3rd highest rank), and he rose to the occasion, going 13-2, defeating Hakuho in the process, and earning the fighting spirit and outstanding performance awards. That was Hakuho's only loss in the tournament. By winning the tournament, he earned a promotion to Ozeki, the second highest rank. He may be a future yokozuna, based on his recent body of work.

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Post by Hamilcar on Mon May 25, 2015 12:21 am

Just watched the end of the tournament.  That does it for me: I am now a closet sumo fan.  Only you guys on this board knows I like sumo.  I am now a bigger MMA/Combat Sports Hipster than Luke Thomas.
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Post by nodogoshi on Mon May 25, 2015 1:45 am

Hamilcar wrote:Just watched the end of the tournament.  That does it for me: I am now a closet sumo fan.  Only you guys on this board knows I like sumo.  I am now a bigger MMA/Combat Sports Hipster than Luke Thomas.

I originally became a sumo fan probably something like 18 years ago, watching compilations on ESPN. At one time, I got a hookup in Japan whereby I was sent VHS tapes of entire 15-day tournaments. The sumo organization use to offer a free stream service, including every match (from like 8:30 in the morning Japan time until 6pm). I use to watch that after I went to college and received proper internet, especially the last 2 hours (the makuuchi matches). I've attended several tournaments in Japan.

My interest level isn't as much as it use to be. But I still think it's a pretty incredible sport. Kintamayama's channel is a tremendous resource for following it. There was a guy that want by something like Arabia, he literally use to post every match, for 9.5 hours straight, seconds after they happened on youtube, captured from the free stream. The free stream got ended, and his youtube channel got nuked. Kintamayama is still alive. Hopefully he stays alive.

I worry about the dude sometimes, spending all this time to create these videos for almost no compensation Wink. I guess he enjoys it. This is how the online combat sports fan community is. People volunteering their time for the masses.

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Re: Sumo Thread

Post by God of Thunder on Mon May 25, 2015 5:12 am

Thanx for the videos nodogoshi and Hamilcar
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Post by God of Thunder on Sun May 31, 2015 5:30 pm

Anyone got the latest sumo rankings? I would like to get a clear picture on who the top guys are.
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Post by Hamilcar on Sun May 31, 2015 6:37 pm

http://www.sumo.or.jp/en/honbasho/banzuke/index

This might be what you are looking for. I don't understand how sumo rankings work, though. They seem to have alot of divisions and then they have this East/West thing that I don't know what that's about.....
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Post by nodogoshi on Sun May 31, 2015 7:33 pm

This is the place for sumo stats.
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/

There are 15 matches. If you win at least 8 you get 'kachikoshi', winning record. If you get 8 or more losses, it's 'makekoshi', or losing record.

If you get a kachikoshi, you move up a little. If you get a strong kachikoshi, you move up more. The reverse is true for makekoshi.

Makuuchi is the top division. Juryo is below makuuchi. These are basically the pro divisions. Below that is makushita, sandanme, jonidan, jonokuchi, in that order. Below that is 'maezumo', which is where most guys begin (college champions can start higher). Maezumo matches don't count toward career records. All other bouts do. Guys work their way through the rank, and eventually strive to reach Makuuchi (the record for fastest rise is 10 tournaments, but that is very unique. Usually it takes a bit).

In makuuchi, komusubi, sekiwake, ozeki and yokuzuna are the 'sanyaku' ranks.

Don't read into the East and West thing. It doesn't really mean that much.

Promotion to Komusubi and Sekiwake is straight forward. As a general criteria (though it isn't set in stone), promotion to Ozeki is earned by winning 34 bouts over a 3-tournament stretch. Promotion to yokozuna, again in general principal--though not set in stone--is achieved by winning back-to-back tournaments.

Once you are promoted to yokozuna, there is no being demoted. All other ranks face demotion (two consecutive losing records at Ozeki is automatic demotion). For yokozuna, the only way out is to retire. Once a yokozuna is no longer able to win consistently, they essentially must retire.

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Post by God of Thunder on Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:28 am

Thanks for the info. It´s hard to make a top 10 ranking since they reach certain levels and the Yokozuna can´t move down but I guess it would look something like this..

1. Hakuho (Yokozuna)
2. Harumafuji (Yokozuna)
3. Kakuryu (Yokozuna)
4. Kisenosato (Ozeki)
5. Kotoshogiku (Ozeki)
6. Goeido (Ozeki)
7. Terunofuji (Sekiwake)
8. Myogiryu (Sekiwake)
9. Tochiozan (Komusubi)
10. Ichinojo (Komusubi)
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Post by nodogoshi on Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:54 am

The rankings are quite accurate, as they are statistically determined. Matches are also made on the basis of rankings. If a guy from a lower rank is having a tear of a tournament, he'll be matched up with the top guys and the other contenders, etc. They choose the matchups every 2 days. So the matchups are adjusted based on the progress of the tournament. Thus, the rankings are very accurate.

If you want a top 10, then I'd say as you listed it is pretty good. Hakuho is the top Yokozuna, and Kisenosato is the top Ozeki. Harumafuji is definitely #2 behind Hakuho. Basically your entire order looks good.

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Post by nodogoshi on Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:02 am

I think I linked it before, but this is a good page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sumo_record_holders

Hakuho has already broke most of the records.

Hakuho is now #2 for most top division wins. He has 826. Kaio had 879. Hakuho will break the record in 4 tournaments from now.

Kyokutenho just went into #1 in the last tournament for most top division bouts at 1455. He is #2 for most career bouts with 1855, behind Oshio who has 1891. He's 3 tournaments away from the #1 spot. He's 40 years old, and debuted in 1992. He's one of the first Mongolians who came over.

Kyokutenho is also #5 on the list for most career wins (though he's about to be passed up by Hakuho) with 924, and #8 for top division wins. He should be able to move up some spaces.

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