No Holds Barred: Judo vs. MMA?

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No Holds Barred: Judo vs. MMA?

Post by nhbnews on Sat Mar 14, 2015 3:58 pm

On this edition of No Holds Barred, host Eddie Goldman discusses the conflict between the International Judo Federation and its continental union, the European Judo Union (EJU), and mixed martial arts organizations, especially UFC. This dispute has falsely been described by some as "judo vs. MMA".

This conflict recently received much attention when the EJU pulled the 2015 European Judo Championships from Glasgow, Scotland, in April, and moved it to become part of the inaugural European Games in June in Baku, Azerbaijan. The key reason was that the original local host of the event, the British Judo Association, had gotten UFC to be a sponsor, despite MMA being illegal in France and the EJU repeatedly warning the British judo leaders that they disapproved of the values promoted by UFC.

Sergey Soloveychik, the president of the EJU, was recently quoted by the BBC saying: "MMA is not a sport, it is some kind of show." He added, "Sport should have some human values and sports should help society develop human values. With MMA, it is not so."

He also is quoted as saying: "It's not good if your opponent is on his stomach and you sit on him and beat his head.

"It's not good for the education of the young generation, so we don't like to promote this kind of organisation during our competition. The spirit is to destroy your opponents by different ways and this is not good." (

The EJU slogan is: "Judo -- more than sport!"

Soloveychik also served as the SportAccord Chairman of the 2013 World Combat Games. This event featured competition in 15 Olympic and non-Olympic combat sports, so Soloveychik's views can be seen as being widely held among those in the combat sports and martial arts organizations, along with SportAccord itself.

Also discussed are the long-standing promotion of anti-social values by MMA organizations like UFC, as well as the problems the judo organizations have had in retaining athletes and keeping them from going to other disciplines, the hypocrisy of many judo leaders in claiming that they actually do promote "human values", and much more.

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Re: No Holds Barred: Judo vs. MMA?

Post by God of Thunder on Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:26 pm

The older I get and the more kids I get I realize how bad the values of Zuffa mma is for young people. There should be more focus on traditional combat sports with honour, respect and skills instead of brutality and how to hurt other human beings in a disrespectful way.
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Post by TeamJohnPerretti on Sat Mar 14, 2015 9:19 pm

Golden Age wrote:There should be more focus on traditional combat sports with honour, respect and skills instead of brutality and how to hurt other human beings in a disrespectful way.

"Cage fighting f'ing rules!!!!!"


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Re: No Holds Barred: Judo vs. MMA?

Post by Hamilcar on Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:15 am

Real good breakdown of the Zuffa vs Judo issue.

I feel like MMA could have been a respectful sport. It just isn't marketed that way. TMA is just as much about brutalizing opponents as MMA is. Lately I have been reading The Encyclopedia of Taekwondo by Taekwondo's founder, Choi. In there you see all kinds of attacks intended to brutalize vital points. You even have kicks to a grounded opponent (Bruce Lee also taught this). The only reason punches to a grounded opponent is not seen in many TMA is because either they are grappling arts (in which case they have better ways to finish off an opponent) or they did not see themselves as going down with the opponent. They punch and kick the guy, he falls down, fight is over, but you can kick him for good measure. Even when you throw a guy to the ground, you are taught to stay standing (except in Jujitsu and Judo). However, in MMA, we have two things going on: 1: Is the fear that the guy will pop right back up. In boxing and kickboxing you hope that the ref waves it off. But in MMA you have the option to stay on top of the opponent and make sure he stays down. Of course, you are going to take that opportunity (Unless, you are Mark Hunt and know when he is going to stay down and when he isn't). 2. Is the fact that Zuffa thinks kicks to a grounded opponent are dangerous, or unseemly or something. In ONE you can finish with a swift kick to the guy's head. In Zuffa, you have to pounce on him and punch him in the face, because that is safer or more gentlemanly I guess.

Regardless, I think the issue could be solved with a culture change. Like I said, in TKD and other arts, you have alot of brutality. The difference is, that the TMA have a built in ethos. MMA does not. In TKD you have to memorize the ethos and practice it.
Even in the ARMY (where we literally do, in fact KILL people) we are taught the Army Values, along with the Warrior Ethos and the Soldier's Creed. (When you become an NCO you are taught to memorize and recite the NCO Creed which just adds onto your sense of responsibility and ethics). The idea is that with the dangerous power and responsibility we are given we must exercise restraint. (By the way: Look at Brian Stann and Tim Kennedy's behavior compared to other MMA fighters.)
As another note in my long ramblings: I wish MMA fighters could get the same speech that I and other soldiers were given by a SPEC-OPs guy who was training us in knife fighting. "You are not a badass!!!! I am not a badass!" His point was, no one is really that awesome of a fighter. You're not that great. You might think you are, but you're not. (By the way, he looked just like Fedor. I think that kind of demeanor is what true badasses are like.)


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