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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:21 pm

There was a thread created today by a WSOF matchmaker claiming that he felt sorry for the RIZIN fighters and that he was no longer intrigued about RIZIN based on what he was told by fighters that he knows.  The fighters he knows basically told him that they were not happy with how fights were being offered without knowing opponents which would be an advantage to the fighters RIZIN wants to win.  In the thread, I mentioned that Sherdog posters should take caution prior to believing what they read in Sherdog posts since there is an active smear campaign against RIZIN in the media, social media, and forums.  The WSOF matchmaker seemed genuine in his responses to me and he said he really was concerned for the fighters and with RIZIN but then the entire thread was completely deleted from Sherdog a bit later (http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f61/spoke-couple-pro-fighters-re-rizin-nye-3083101/).

I created a new thread (http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/showthread.php?p=109880975&posted=1#post109880975) asking what happened to the previous thread and the WSOF matchmaker responded and basically said the thread was deleted since he did not include sources even though he works in the industry.  I responded that the thread was fine and there was a lot of good discussion so it was odd that it was deleted.  This thread was then also deleted shortly after that.

Below is what the WSOF matchmaker said in the Opening Post (this was posted in a separate thread as part of a smear attempt against RIZIN so I was able to copy it):

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"The NYE show is losing some luster for me. At least some fights are being set up specifically for certain people to win and in particular ways. Note, I'm not saying all, but certainly some. One fight was offered to an acquaintance and that person past because "it was obvious" and there was also an attempt to misinform about the credentials of the opponent.

It's one thing when you see a silly matchups, but it's another when you get direct information about specific wants for outcomes, and here the premeditation on it.

I don't think I can support the new JMMA show."


Some shady shit going on at Sherdog (AKA Zuffadog).


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Post by stu3ufc on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:25 pm

who is this WSOF match maker

lets not forget the countless number of fighters who have been left on the shelf by WSOF who dont offer the guys any fights and when they do try and make them accept less money...

As for Rizin who knows...it was common in pride fc.... a fighter has to be ready for anyone imo.

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:32 pm

stu3ufc wrote:who is this WSOF match maker

lets not forget the countless number of fighters who have been left on the shelf by WSOF who dont offer the guys any fights and when they do try and make them accept less money...

As for Rizin who knows...it was common in pride fc.... a fighter has to be ready for anyone imo.

I think I know who it is but if he was being genuine I don't want to trash him on here. There is some BS going on over at Zuffadog though. This thread should not have been deleted.

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Post by stu3ufc on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:36 pm

lol

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:38 pm

I don't think it was Ali Abdelaziz. It is a new matchmaker they have for WSOF Global.

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:41 pm

WSOF is going into the Asian market and they are not part of the RIZIN Fedoration so they are direct competitors which I mentioned to him on Sherdog. RIZIN and WSOF are also competitors in the U.S. as RIZIN will air on Spike TV on NYE and they are partners with Bellator which I also mentioned.

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 5:47 pm

When I asked why the thread was deleted, the WSOF matchmaker said:

"Meh. They didn't like the lack of sources, despite my standing in the industry (I'm assuming, didn't receive any notice). That's fine, but doesn't change anything about what was said."

I said, "It's just odd because the thread was fine and had good discussion."

He responded, "Whaddya gunna do? lol"

I still have the thread open so I was able to copy the posts prior to this second thread being deleted.

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Post by Rizin=PRIDEFC on Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:06 pm

Fear from Rizin is in air what is to me very good sign Very Happy
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Post by fka on Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:07 pm

Doesn't surprise sherdog is a horrible site fuck them

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Post by westcott123 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 6:50 pm

Man rizin seems to be scaring some people this is a sign that not only jmma is coming back but it is also going to the top As for the sherdog thread i wonder why he deleted it ? i say because this person doesn't have any proof to back up his claims .I bet as soon as you talked about debate and discussion that's when they were deleted
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:04 pm

Rizin=PRIDEFC wrote:Fear from Rizin is in air what is to me very good sign Very Happy

Zuffa has been on an all out attack of RIZIN since their announcement 4 weeks ago. It is worse than I ever seen Zuffa attack any other promotion in such a short period of time. They definitely seem nervous.

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:04 pm

fka wrote:Doesn't surprise sherdog is a horrible site fuck them

Yeah, they are shady for sure.  They weren't always this way but they have been for a long time.

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 7:11 pm

westcott123 wrote:Man rizin seems to be scaring some people this is a sign that not only jmma is coming back but it is also going to the top As for the sherdog thread i wonder why he deleted it ? i say because this person doesn't have any proof to back up his claims .I bet as soon as you talked about debate and discussion that's when they were deleted

Yeah, it was odd that it was deleted. I got a bit controversial about the smear campaigns and the media control,..., and he seemed to agree that he might feel that way as well if he was in my shoes but not completely sure why they deleted the original thread.

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Post by stu3ufc on Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:38 pm

fka wrote:Doesn't surprise sherdog is a horrible site fuck them

Don't say that about Sherdog..... A guy like you fits right in over there

*cough cough* Zuffa Zombie *cough cough*

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:48 pm

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Rizin=PRIDEFC wrote:Fear from Rizin is in air what is to me very good sign Very Happy

Zuffa has been on an all out attack of RIZIN since their announcement 4 weeks ago.  It is worse than I ever seen Zuffa attack any other promotion in such a short period of time.  They definitely seem nervous.

Can't blame them. RIZIN sounds exciting and UFC is clearly vulnerable now as they're not untouchable as they were five years ago.
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:52 pm

stu3ufc wrote:
fka wrote:Doesn't surprise sherdog is a horrible site fuck them

Don't say that about Sherdog..... A guy like you fits right in over there

*cough cough* Zuffa Zombie *cough cough*

Oh man, just glad we have a forum free of shills, trolls, and brainwashed fans on this site. I get my fill of them over at that other place.

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:55 pm

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Rizin=PRIDEFC wrote:Fear from Rizin is in air what is to me very good sign Very Happy

Zuffa has been on an all out attack of RIZIN since their announcement 4 weeks ago.  It is worse than I ever seen Zuffa attack any other promotion in such a short period of time.  They definitely seem nervous.

Can't blame them. RIZIN sounds exciting and UFC is clearly vulnerable now as they're not untouchable as they were five years ago.

Zuffa knows their product is stale as shit and has been for years.  It is so over-saturated, with the same production for the past 15 years, with every fighter now looking the same with the same black, white, and gray Reebok shorts, boring ass FLW fight decisions, cage fighting all over the world, unified rules all over the world, same shitty treatment of their fighters and customers, media control, forum shills, no co-promotion, watered down fight cards, numerous $60 PPVs every year,.....  

The sport needs the return of JMMA now more than ever.

Would be great if there was a quick takeover of the top spot in MMA.  The UFC just aint cutting it.

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Post by stu3ufc on Fri Oct 16, 2015 9:12 pm

Unless Coker can poach more guys like Phil Davis and Josh Thompson (legit top 10 guys not washed up rejects) from the UFC and create a strikeforce 2.0 then I can't see anyone in the U.S becoming bigger than UFC.

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:22 pm

stu3ufc wrote:Unless Coker can poach more guys like Phil Davis and Josh Thompson (legit top 10 guys not washed up rejects) from the UFC and create a strikeforce 2.0 then I can't see anyone in the U.S becoming bigger than UFC.

I meant RIZIN and Bellator combo taking over worldwide. UFC can hold the top spot in the U.S. but they need a huge rival org. like RIZIN in Japan.

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Post by fka on Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:29 pm

Coker has been slowly reintroducing us fans to pride style production and with the federation backing eachother i can see jmma getting a following and impacting the ufc.

Bellator has been the only US based company in direct competition with the ufc from stealing fighters to taking shots at the ufc during promotion efforts.

They are the foothold of the war in america and is the strongest org in the federation right now and lije rizin going after adcc winners bellator has been locking down the olympic level wrestlers.

If rizin can develope their own talent and bellator continue to do the same,with the cooperation of the other orgs lending fighters could produce some epic cards.Hopefully we see ksw,m1,etc join the federation.

Once its really zuffa mma vs the federation i believe zuffa will fail.

They will have a viable alternative no matter if they prefer cage or ring.

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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:06 pm

fka wrote:Coker has been slowly reintroducing us fans to pride style production and with the federation backing eachother i can see jmma getting a following and impacting the ufc.

Bellator has been the only US based company in direct competition with the ufc from stealing fighters to taking shots at the ufc during promotion efforts.

They are the foothold of the war in america and is the strongest org in the federation right now and lije rizin going after adcc winners bellator has been locking down the olympic level wrestlers.

If rizin can develope their own talent and bellator continue to do the same,with the cooperation of the other orgs lending fighters could produce some epic cards.Hopefully we see ksw,m1,etc join the federation.

Once its really zuffa mma vs the federation i believe zuffa will fail.

They will have a viable alternative no matter if they prefer cage or ring.

It would be great to one day see the RIZIN Fedoration vs. the UFC and their feeders at a more equal level. Then they could hold huge Super Bowl of MMA events every two years to crown world champs (alternating ring in Asia under PRIDE rules and the next time in U.S. or Europe in the cage under unified rules). I think that would be ideal in MMA.

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Post by God of Thunder on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:36 pm

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fka wrote:Coker has been slowly reintroducing us fans to pride style production and with the federation backing eachother i can see jmma getting a following and impacting the ufc.

Bellator has been the only US based company in direct competition with the ufc from stealing fighters to taking shots at the ufc during promotion efforts.

They are the foothold of the war in america and is the strongest org in the federation right now and lije rizin going after adcc winners bellator has been locking down the olympic level wrestlers.

If rizin can develope their own talent and bellator continue to do the same,with the cooperation of the other orgs lending fighters could produce some epic cards.Hopefully we see ksw,m1,etc join the federation.

Once its really zuffa mma vs the federation i believe zuffa will fail.

They will have a viable alternative no matter if they prefer cage or ring.

It would be great to one day see the RIZIN Fedoration vs. the UFC and their feeders at a more equal level.  Then they could hold huge Super Bowl of MMA events every two years to crown world champs (alternating ring in Asia under PRIDE rules and the next time in U.S. or Europe in the cage under unified rules).  I think that would be ideal in MMA.
If Rizin uses trashy cagefighting its better if the federation dies. Why in hell should they use a cage in europe where i live? The whole point of supporting RIZIN is to bring back PRIDE and the ring.
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Post by CDF47 on Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:58 pm

Golden Age wrote:
CDF47 wrote:
fka wrote:Coker has been slowly reintroducing us fans to pride style production and with the federation backing eachother i can see jmma getting a following and impacting the ufc.

Bellator has been the only US based company in direct competition with the ufc from stealing fighters to taking shots at the ufc during promotion efforts.

They are the foothold of the war in america and is the strongest org in the federation right now and lije rizin going after adcc winners bellator has been locking down the olympic level wrestlers.

If rizin can develope their own talent and bellator continue to do the same,with the cooperation of the other orgs lending fighters could produce some epic cards.Hopefully we see ksw,m1,etc join the federation.

Once its really zuffa mma vs the federation i believe zuffa will fail.

They will have a viable alternative no matter if they prefer cage or ring.

It would be great to one day see the RIZIN Fedoration vs. the UFC and their feeders at a more equal level.  Then they could hold huge Super Bowl of MMA events every two years to crown world champs (alternating ring in Asia under PRIDE rules and the next time in U.S. or Europe in the cage under unified rules).  I think that would be ideal in MMA.
If Rizin uses trashy cagefighting its better if the federation dies. Why in hell should they use a cage in europe where i live? The whole point of supporting RIZIN is to bring back PRIDE and the ring.

What?  I said RIZIN in the ring and UFC in the cage.  I don't think UFC is going away so there will always be cage orgs.  RIZIN will be the alternative ring org. in Asia. I still hope KSW goes back to the ring in Europe. I was talking about Super Bowl of MMA alternating ring and cage each time. Not sure how it would work otherwise.

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Post by TeamJohnPerretti on Sat Oct 17, 2015 12:50 am

Events with a cage wouldn't be some 'Super Bowl of mma events'.

It would be cage fighting trash.

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Post by CDF47 on Sat Oct 17, 2015 1:10 am

TeamJohnPerretti wrote:Events with a cage wouldn't be some 'Super Bowl of mma events'.

It would be cage fighting trash.


I just don't see the cage going anywhere in MMA. I think it will always be part of the sport. There will probably be cage orgs. and ring orgs. as there has been since the beginning. There are just way too many cage orgs. today, especially in Asia where ring is expected. If there ever is a Super Bowl of MMA with the best fighters in the world competing from multiple orgs., I can't see it working without alternating ring and cage each time. The cage orgs. would want the fights in the cage and the ring orgs. would want the fights in a ring. Just hypothetical but that is how I think it would work.

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