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Post by stu3ufc on Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:26 am

fka wrote:Even without tentpoles hes doing better numbers Smile

Love it!!!!

Haters gonna hate but numbers don't lie bwahaha

while youre still waffling on about bjorn.....people like myself enjoy watching kunlun fight and other events. Glad your happy with dada vs kimbo LOL

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Post by nodogoshi on Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:50 am

Can I please never again see the phrase 'tentpole event'?

I don't even know the fuck what that means, and it's a retarded label.

I caught Pancrase 276 the other day. There were actually some amazing fights. Both from technical and action standpoints.

Just saying, it's worth a look.

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Post by nodogoshi on Mon Mar 14, 2016 10:52 am

Seriously, what is that shit?

They held events in a tent?

The event somehow resembled a tent poll?

Whoever invented that phrase should be put against a wall.

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Post by Longtime Fan on Mon Mar 14, 2016 11:57 am

Yea the name alludes to something circus-like. They should of just went with Indian reservation events or something.

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Post by fka on Mon Mar 14, 2016 12:12 pm

Name doesn't matter numbers do....

stu desperately trying to save face lol...

Take away every big event and coker is still doing better in EVERY aspect.....profits,live gates,attendence,tv ratings,fighter signings.


Glad bellator is not only successful but growing globally.

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Post by stu3ufc on Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:27 pm

fka wrote:Name doesn't matter numbers do....

stu desperately trying to save face lol...

Take away every big event and coker is still doing better in EVERY aspect.....profits,live gates,attendence,tv ratings,fighter signings.


Glad bellator is not only successful but growing globally.

I'm glad that guys like meat head and bendo are joining because the real enemy is zuffa here.

"Take away every big event and coker is still doing better in EVERY aspect.....profits,live gates,attendence,tv ratings,fighter signings"

the two had different approaches. pretty certain viacom are spending WAY more money now than they ever did under bjorn. hence the success (lets not forget coker was in debt at strikeforce). you think royce, kimbo and shamrock come cheap? good for them it's paid off because all that matters is people watch....even if those people are mindless idiots. Real mma is not appreciated just caged fighting with two bums and washed up fighters. I'd rather watch kickboxing thanks. American audience is dumb

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Post by fka on Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:51 pm

Viacoms budget hasn't gone up tremendously lol....coker simply united spike and bellator something bjorn never took advantage of.

If their budget is up its due to more revenue from live events and renewed sponsors.


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Post by fka on Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:54 pm

I agree stu many casuals or idiots as you refer to them tune in for big fights....but what is also very telling is the other numbers...

Every big show AVERAGES MILLIONS THROUGHOUT THE BROADCAST!!!

hardcores and new fans tune in and watch the entire show and even better tune in to following weeks shows adding 200,000 more viewers then expected.

Bellator fanbase is growing and not just for freaks....its only getting better with international shows,and new kickboxing org.

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Post by stu3ufc on Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:58 pm

fka wrote:Viacoms budget hasn't gone up tremendously lol....coker simply united spike and bellator something bjorn never took advantage of.

If their budget is up its due to more revenue from live events and renewed sponsors.


I disagree on that! Bellator was on a shoe string budget in casinos and shit compared to how they're spending more money on the product today i.e more advertising/ bigger arenas/ marque big names/ UFC signings paying ufc guys more money to join. you really think guys like dantas, pitbull, lima make the same as ken, kimbo, royce?

spending more money has worked out for them. again it's all about the names and not the actual quality of the product.

give me kickboxing any day.

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Post by stu3ufc on Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:00 pm

p.s having less weekly shows has worked for them to build up events and pull in viewers..... bjorn still brought good numbers on a weekly basis. with less build up and lesser known stars.

again it's now a different model and a different product altogether.

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Post by fka on Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:07 pm

They still operate majority of shows in small casinos lol

Again read the recent interview and you will see bjorn and spike had NO relationship....coker simply brought them together and took advantage of their media talents and production.

Shoe string budget lol whst about the ppv?

Bjorn paid hefty for ufc guys like page too and never said pitbull or those guys make same as tito lmao.

They make around 7O,000 plus sponsors which is still good money fir homegrown talent.

Like i said with cokers vision there is just more to invest into hes very smart in business and has shown that by gaining numbers in EVERY performance indicator there is as well as revenue.

Viacom is a multi billion dollar company they are smart enough not to overextend...they obviously see something in cokers leadership and longterm strategies to allow him to give out tasty looking contracts to entice free agents.


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Post by stu3ufc on Mon Mar 14, 2016 7:09 pm

fka wrote:They still operate majority of shows in small casinos lol

Again read the recent interview and you will see bjorn and spike had NO relationship....coker simply brought them together and took advantage of their media talents and production.

Shoe string budget lol whst about the ppv?

Bjorn paid hefty for ufc guys like page too and never said pitbull or those guys make same as tito lmao.

They make around 7O,000 plus sponsors which is still good money fir homegrown talent.

Like i said with cokers vision there is just more to invest into hes very smart in business and has shown that by gaining numbers in EVERY performance indicator there is as well as revenue.

Viacom is a multi billion dollar company they are smart enough not to overextend...they obviously see something in cokers leadership and longterm strategies to allow him to give out tasty looking contracts to entice free agents.


yeah well good for them

if they have the odd fight thats even worth watching i'll tune in but MMA isnt for me anymore

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Re: Coker vs Bjorn by the numbers

Post by InfinityLens on Thu May 12, 2016 1:41 pm

nodogoshi wrote:Can I please never again see the phrase 'tentpole event'?

I don't even know the fuck what that means, and it's a retarded label.

I caught Pancrase 276 the other day. There were actually some amazing fights. Both from technical and action standpoints.

Just saying, it's worth a look.

It probably is worth a look, but nobody will! Thats why Coker has guys like Kimbo, he gets eyes on the legit talent.
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Re: Coker vs Bjorn by the numbers

Post by TeepToTheJunk on Sat May 14, 2016 10:01 am

The Bellator 131 card actually kicked off the Coker era. They fulfilled preexisting obligations finishing off the last weekly run.
Coker isn't the draw, he's the visionary who paints the picture the athletes operate within. His vision for Bellator is steadily coming to fruition. Everything is on the rise, every aspect, every metric reflecting growth.

Gate and paid attendance are massively up (and will continue to rise as they finish out certain venue obligations and largely throw bigger shows.
Domestic #'s are up
Internationally their reach on TV has increased dramatically, an oft ignored aspect of their overarching business model.
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Since the B131 rebranding, Coker has done wonders. Bjornator was a feeder league model but with restrictive contracts. Spikeforce is a top down bottom up gathering storm of promotional awesomeness.

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Post by CDF47 on Sat May 14, 2016 10:48 am

^Coker has done quite a bit in a short time

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Post by TeepToTheJunk on Sat May 14, 2016 11:27 am

It's a new day.

Coker's 3 year non compete and Sakakibara's 7 year one are over. One Championship is also on the rise. A new well funded Euro league is coming. Other big moves are being made. The sport is exploding.

B131 to now isn't a lot of shows or a considerable length of time. (Nov 15 2014 B131). A year and a half. The transformation has been epic. Coker is the GOAT promoter.

Some fans (and all the shills) complain, but I love the new flavor of Bellator.

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TeepToTheJunk wrote:It's a new day.

Coker's 3 year non compete and Sakakibara's 7 year one are over. One Championship is also on the rise. A new well funded Euro league is coming.  Other big moves are being made.  The sport is exploding.

B131 to now isn't a lot of shows or a considerable length of time. (Nov 15 2014 B131). A year and a half. The transformation has been epic. Coker is the GOAT promoter.  

Some fans (and all the shills) complain, but I love the new flavor of Bellator.  

I like what I am seeing here as well, especially with Coker working with Sakaibara and RIZIN. That is huge in my opinion. The JMMA version is critical to the sport. The euro leagues are great as well but JMMA is the foundation.

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Agreed 100%

Post by TeepToTheJunk on Sat May 14, 2016 12:33 pm

CDF47 wrote:
TeepToTheJunk wrote:It's a new day.

Coker's 3 year non compete and Sakakibara's 7 year one are over. One Championship is also on the rise. A new well funded Euro league is coming.  Other big moves are being made.  The sport is exploding.

B131 to now isn't a lot of shows or a considerable length of time. (Nov 15 2014 B131). A year and a half. The transformation has been epic. Coker is the GOAT promoter.  

Some fans (and all the shills) complain, but I love the new flavor of Bellator.  

I like what I am seeing here as well, especially with Coker working with Sakaibara and RIZIN.  That is huge in my opinion.  The JMMA version is critical to the sport.  The euro leagues are great as well but JMMA is the foundation.
Yep.  Japan does the full version IMO. Pride/Rizin rules in the ring are the best for promoting action and allow more dynamic techniques. The fans are respectful and the events epic in look/feel.  They don't cry about weightclasses as much in Japan.  Martial Arts overcoming size and adversity in general. They cast fighting as heroic win or lose.  

Shout out to ONE Championship, they just got 12k in Singapore as Angela Lee had one of the FOTY. Her brother Christian is a little Genki Sudo.  Global Rules kick ass too, they just don't allow head stomps. ONE is partnered with Disney, Kawasaki, LG, Canon, UnderArmour, Monster, Bud and others.  Available in a billion homes in 75 nations.  Doing big thangs. They also outbid the UFC for Bendo, according to Bendo himself. Bet they make a play for RoryRedTerror.

FightNights snagged this Fedor fight, and word is they have a billionaire backer.

The market has organically begun to repair itself after the slew of Zuffa buyouts/mergers.

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TeepToTheJunk wrote:
CDF47 wrote:
TeepToTheJunk wrote:It's a new day.

Coker's 3 year non compete and Sakakibara's 7 year one are over. One Championship is also on the rise. A new well funded Euro league is coming.  Other big moves are being made.  The sport is exploding.

B131 to now isn't a lot of shows or a considerable length of time. (Nov 15 2014 B131). A year and a half. The transformation has been epic. Coker is the GOAT promoter.  

Some fans (and all the shills) complain, but I love the new flavor of Bellator.  

I like what I am seeing here as well, especially with Coker working with Sakaibara and RIZIN.  That is huge in my opinion.  The JMMA version is critical to the sport.  The euro leagues are great as well but JMMA is the foundation.
Yep.  Japan does the full version IMO. Pride/Rizin rules in the ring are the best for promoting action and allow more dynamic techniques. The fans are respectful and the events epic in look/feel.  They don't cry about weightclasses as much in Japan.  Martial Arts overcoming size and adversity in general. They cast fighting as heroic win or lose.  

Shout out to ONE Championship, they just got 12k in Singapore as Angela Lee had one of the FOTY. Her brother Christian is a little Genki Sudo.  Global Rules kick ass too, they just don't allow head stomps. ONE is partnered with Disney, Kawasaki, LG, Canon, UnderArmour, Monster, Bud and others.  Available in a billion homes in 75 nations.  Doing big thangs. They also outbid the UFC for Bendo, according to Bendo himself.  Bet they make a play for RoryRedTerror.

FightNights snagged this Fedor fight, and word is they have a billionaire backer.

The market has organically begun to repair itself after the slew of Zuffa buyouts/mergers.

That's right. That is one of the main things that is great about JMMA, the martial arts aspect of it and the epic feel. The rules, production, open weight type fights, style vs. style type fights, the ring, all feed into this.

ONE FC has done good. I hope they join the RIZIN partnership to strengthen it that much more.

Things are starting to look better for the sport.

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That's right. That is one of the main things that is great about JMMA, the martial arts aspect of it and the epic feel. The rules, production, open weight type fights, style vs. style type fights, the ring, all feed into this.

ONE FC has done good. I hope they join the RIZIN partnership to strengthen it that much more.
We can expect more fighters to demand non exclusive contracts. Fighters with options can really earn.

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TeepToTheJunk wrote:
That's right. That is one of the main things that is great about JMMA, the martial arts aspect of it and the epic feel. The rules, production, open weight type fights, style vs. style type fights, the ring, all feed into this.

ONE FC has done good. I hope they join the RIZIN partnership to strengthen it that much more.
We can expect more fighters to demand non exclusive contracts.  Fighters with options can really earn.  

Definitely. The fighters must be loving these JMMA, Bellator, Asia, and Euro options.

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CDF47 wrote:
TeepToTheJunk wrote:
That's right. That is one of the main things that is great about JMMA, the martial arts aspect of it and the epic feel. The rules, production, open weight type fights, style vs. style type fights, the ring, all feed into this.

ONE FC has done good. I hope they join the RIZIN partnership to strengthen it that much more.
We can expect more fighters to demand non exclusive contracts.  Fighters with options can really earn.  

Definitely.  The fighters must be loving these JMMA, Bellator, Asia, and Euro options.
100%

Hybrid cards, copromotions and crossover fights give fighters even more options.  

Fedor is the king of fighter leverage.  They should all study him. Made bank, kept leverage. I hope RoryRedTerror goes non exclusive and does some kickboxing too.

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Post by fka on Sat May 14, 2016 1:12 pm

Fight nights needs to drug test ir its just a joke.

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TeepToTheJunk wrote:
CDF47 wrote:
TeepToTheJunk wrote:
That's right. That is one of the main things that is great about JMMA, the martial arts aspect of it and the epic feel. The rules, production, open weight type fights, style vs. style type fights, the ring, all feed into this.

ONE FC has done good. I hope they join the RIZIN partnership to strengthen it that much more.
We can expect more fighters to demand non exclusive contracts.  Fighters with options can really earn.  

Definitely.  The fighters must be loving these JMMA, Bellator, Asia, and Euro options.
100%

Hybrid cards, copromotions and crossover fights give fighters even more options.  

Fedor is the king of fighter leverage.  They should all study him. Made bank, kept leverage. I hope RoryRedTerror goes non exclusive and does some kickboxing too.

That all sounds good to me and I love the MMA/kickboxing cross-overs.  That's another aspect of JMMA that has always been great.  

Fedor is a real good example these fighters could follow with the competition that's there with Bellator, RIZIN, ONE FC, KSW, M-1, WSOF, and the like.

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fka wrote:Fight nights needs to drug test ir its just a joke.

They definitely should be drug testing, I agree. The sport is dangerous enough, let alone having some fighters juiced to the max on performance enhancers.

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