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Post by stu3ufc on Thu Jun 16, 2016 11:58 am

Holy fuck if this goes through we will be rid of the zuffa mafia!


http://www.forbes.com/sites/mattconnolly/2016/06/16/report-bidding-on-ufc-ends-this-week-sale-expected-to-be-roughly-4b-for-100-ownership/#78cd7c24483f

On the heels of Ariel Helwani claiming that the sale of the UFC was “progressing” on Tuesday, his MMA Fighting colleague Dave Meltzer has reported that “the bidding period (for the UFC) is expected to end on or around June 16 … in the $4 billion price range for 100 percent ownership.”

Meltzer — citing a source involved in the bidding — first brought these figures to light in his Wrestling Observer Newsletter (subscription only) from May 30, aligning with Darren Rovell’s original report from several weeks prior. ESPN's sports business expert said the UFC was “in advanced talks to sell the business” on May 11, but had his findings swiftly rejected by UFC President Dana White.

“The UFC is not for sale,” White told the Las Vegas Review-Journal. “The ESPN story is overblown. Darren Rovell is not a fan of facts.”

White is one of the four owners of Zuffa LCC, the UFC’s parent entity, holding a 9% stake. Station Casino executives Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta own 81% of the company, with Abu Dhabi-based Flash Entertainment laying claim to the remaining 10%.

If the sale is for all 100%, it’s unclear if White would remain with the company. It’s hard to imagine the longtime UFC Figurehead walking away from a brand he built from the ground up, and any buyer would likely want to keep him on for promotional purposes. With that said, the outspoken president has eluded to cutting ties in the event of a transfer of power.



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Post by Kinosis on Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:19 pm

Can't wait! It will be a glorious day for MMA to be rid of dana and his mob buddies.

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Post by nodogoshi on Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:56 pm

The writer is an idiot.

If the sale is for 100%, it is difficult to imagine that White would stay on, given that his compensation is surely overwhelmingly based on his stock holdings. It's simply difficult for this writer to imagine a UFC without Uncle Dana White.

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:01 pm

I'd say good riddance but it's really annoying reading the zombies acting sad because they say Dana White built the UFC and it won't survive without him or The Ferrtitas.

What a joke this writer is though. Dana built the UFC from the ground up? Really? Last time I checked, the UFC was over 7 years old when The Ferrtitas bought. It's not like Dana founded the company. Also, For everybody acting like Zuffa are a bunch of geniuses, remember that they lost millions in the first four years and were ready to give up before The Ultimate Fighter (which was a project Dana was against at first) caught on.
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Post by Kinosis on Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:15 pm

^Yup, the ultimate fighter put them on the map and dana was totally against it. The ufc had success in-spite of dana white, not because of him.

Besides, one of the Ferrtitas was on some Government counsel that kept the ufc off of PPV. After they drove the price of the company down, he purchased it and allowed it on PPV. I don't remember all of the details but I read something on that years ago. They were corrupt from the beginning.

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 2:22 pm

Kinosis wrote:^Yup, the ultimate fighter put them on the map and dana was totally against it.  The ufc had success in-spite of dana white, not because of him.  

Besides, one of the Ferrtitas was on some Government counsel that kept the ufc off of PPV.  After they drove the price of the company down, he purchased it and allowed it on PPV.  I don't remember all of the details but I read something on that years ago.  They were corrupt from the beginning.

Lorenzo was on the NSAC board when Bob Meyorwitz was trying to get MMA sanctioned in Nevada and did get the votes before Lorenzo changed his mind and said no. That resulted in SEG having to sell and The Ferrtita's bought it for $2 million.

As for Dana, I don't doubt he's worked hard but what genius or amazing thing did he do to build MMA? He was against TUF which helped the UFC and the UFC's big success is mostly by accident as they fell ass backwards with almost everything first with The Ultimate Fighter and then PRIDE self-destructing.
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Post by stu3ufc on Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:56 pm

who knows about this but talk really is heating up that they're going to sell to china

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Post by Kinosis on Thu Jun 16, 2016 6:04 pm

I really don't see how the 4 billion number everyone is reporting can be correct. George Lucas sold Star Wars and Indiana Jones for 4 Billion. I would think those properties would be worth a heck of a lot more than the ufc. Either way, glad they will be gone soon. This is probably why Fedor said he is closer than ever to signing with them lol.

Thanks for the info Rocksoldier84.

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Post by warrior23 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 7:26 pm

Im actually on the opposite side of you guys. I think the UFC wouldnt have the success it has today without Dana White and Fertittas but especially Dana. Someone has only to look how the UFC was right before Dana and Fertittas bought it and how it changed during the years. I say that in the altar of hate for Dana people underestimate what he has done for the UFC. Ufc is basically the mma of today. Its a monopoly and thats because UFC is so good. Without it mma could be like 10 years ago. If Dana leaves expect it to turn to a shitty show guys.

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Post by fatty on Thu Jun 16, 2016 8:41 pm

It IS a shit show.
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Post by stu3ufc on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:39 pm

warrior23 wrote:Im actually on the opposite side of you guys. I think the UFC wouldnt have the success it has today without Dana White and Fertittas but especially Dana. Someone has only to look how the UFC was right before Dana and Fertittas bought it and how it changed during the years. I say that in the altar of hate for Dana people underestimate what he has done for the UFC. Ufc is basically the mma of today. Its a monopoly and thats because UFC is so good. Without it mma could be like 10 years ago. If Dana leaves expect it to turn to a shitty show guys.
lmao who let this zuffa shill post here

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Post by Rocksoldier84 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:55 pm

Why are people under the assumption that the UFC will fall without Dana White? Sorry but Dana no promotional genius. He had rich friends and a lot of good luck. If they went Dana White's route, there would be no Ultimate Fighter and likely no boom period. If PRIDE didn't self-destruct than it's possible UFC would never have been number 1 cause they never had PRIDE's TV deal or drawing as big of crowds.

Also, Dana and The UFC building MMA is a myth. They built themselves, not the sport. What has The UFC done for the sport or Dana White? How does bullying the MMA media to carry your water, focus only on you, and treat other companies as secondary built the sport? How does Dana smearing other companies and fighters who don't work for him built the sport? How does encouraging fans to act like zombies who only care about UFC while trashing other companies as second rate and saying fighters that don't work for the UFC are overhyped help the sport? When's the last time the UFC has worked together with another company aside from broadcasting their shows on Fight Pass? If you think about it, Bellator, Rizin, and ONE to name some have done far more for the sport whether it be ONE exposing the business to new countries in Asia or Bellator and Rizin lending talent and support to the other's show.
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Post by Rizin=PRIDEFC on Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:02 pm

I would never give 4 billion for UFC!!!

Let's say you are crazy billionaire who wants to have a huge MMA org as big as UFC.

You should start something like Affliction. Affliction did not have some huge PPV numbers (100k) but UFC also did not have big numbers at start it took them 10 PPV events to make it 100k and 20 PPV events to make it more than 200k.


Affliction was losing money but not that much money. Let's say that you have bad PPV numbers and you do not have TV contract (and I am sure people like that can get it) and you lose million dollars event (and you would not lose that much) and you have 30 events in 3 years (and all events where loss of million dollars).

Do you think people would not notice a MMA org that spends millions and brings in best fighters.

It would take something like 3 years to become huge brand but HUGE PPV numbers would come with time and all financial losses would be returned.

To build THE BIGGEST MMA org in world would NOT cost more than 100 million dollars and they will spend 4 billion on UFC what is just imo not worth it even with TV contracts (like FOX) and all...

If they are ready to pay 4 billion for UFC than where they where when Strikeforce was sold for only 40 million. VIACOM bought Bellator for 50 million and they could bought Strikeforce (much bigger brand at time(to me even today)) for 40 and with difference of 10 million they could paid all expensive fighters like Fedor and Overeem and than keep it on lower level (today's Bellator level) on SPIKE TV.  If nothing they could at least raised price to UFC.

They just have a lot of money and think UFC people know business and they are not able to do it themselves (because they know nothing about MMA) but UFC are not some geniuses who know how perfectly run business but they just got lucky with TUF 1 (against which Dana White was) and without of successful TUF 1 today there would be no UFC (they told that themself). And they keept success by buying competition orgs (imagine UFC today without Strikeforce fighters).

If M-1 Global did not blackmailed Strikeforce for more money(because of what they missed CBS broadcast) and Fedor did not lost to Werdum there would be Fedor vs. Overeem PPV and Strikefoce would probably have done good PPV numbers and there is good chance that Strikeforce would become №1 and that today's MMA world would be much different place.

And maybe even Affliction would succeed if Barnett did not failed test.
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Post by CDF47 on Thu Jun 16, 2016 10:48 pm

I can't believe bids for the UFC are over $4.1B. That is over double what I thought they were worth.

I just read an article that said if UFC sells, Dana may stay on as president but there would be major changes to how the org is run so who knows. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Post by nhbnews on Fri Jun 17, 2016 12:52 am

I bid 4.1 cents. And that's in Canadian cents.

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Post by nodogoshi on Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:28 am

stu3ufc wrote:who knows about this but talk really is heating up that they're going to sell to china

China has so many dollars, that's the way it's going.

Keep in mind, half the economy is controlled by the state as well--a lot of it in a quasi way, but in unorthodox ways, through various networks, which are often of a shady sort.

The US is basically engaged in a process of loading container ships full of hundred dollar bills to send to China, in return for cheap Chinese manufactured junk. They're shipping the hundred dollar bills along side stuff like paper, water, various other raw materials, etc.

So the Chinese can pretty much wipe their ass with hundred dollar bills if they want, as it stands right now. Or they can do shit like buy the UFC.

The UFC is definitely going to China.

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Post by nodogoshi on Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:35 am

Myself? Everything I've ever bought from China broke, including tools, etc.

Anything I buy that's made in China, or India, or Indonesia, or Vietnam, or the Philippines, or fill in the blank, I regard as disposable. Anything I buy that I actually want to stay good for a while, has got to be made in America, or in Western Europe, Japan, or possibly Korea depending on what it is.

I did just buy an axe and hatchet that were made in Mexico, after visiting every home improvement or hardware store in town and not finding any American made axes. I went with the Mexican one, hoping the company that produced it oversaw the factory in Mexico and it wasn't just cheap junk.

I'm going to order a set of Husqvarna axes when I get back from Alaska, which are made in Sweden. That and a good Stihl chainsaw (I fucking hate using other people's chainsaws. I'm always afraid that it's been maintained idiotically and the damn chain is going to snap on the bar somehow. I need my own fucking saw.)

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Post by nodogoshi on Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:46 am

I am collecting a tool set now that I just came back to the US.

You wanna know what?

You go into Home Depot, or Harbor Freight, or wherever, and every fucking thing on the shelves is from China or India.

Do you know what to do?

Go to Harbor Freight, buy a cheap angle grinder, some wire brush attachments (these can be pricey, and you only really need one. $20 for one attachment. If you want to splash out, the more attachments the merrier, but you only really need one.) And, at least 2 grinding wheels (they're about a dollar a piece. You want 2 in case you accidentally leave one in the rain or something, so you can let it dry off properly while you do work with the second one. Or just buy 5 or 6 and be a happy camper; probably better that way).

You are also going to need some files. You can have one or 2 shitty files you find lying around. All files aren't created equal, but a file is still a file. You use it by running it diagonally in the direction you want it to cut. If you feel it with your hand, the course direction is the cutting direction. Only run the file in the one direction. Look it up on youtube if you're confused.

If you are doing serrated blades, you need round files and different sizes, though a few round files will sharpen a lot of saw blades.

The next step: Leave Harbor Freight, get back in your car, and drive to your nearest yard sale, or pawn shop, or wherever else you can go to find old tools.

That's where you can still get well made, made in America type shit.

In addition to the angle grinder and the files, a sharpening stone is also indispensable; and a bench grinder is pretty handy as well, unless you can get pretty good with the angle grinder.

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Post by Longtime Fan on Fri Jun 17, 2016 2:13 am

Over the years I've grown to recognize that at least some few good things came out of zuffa ufc, mainly consistency and strength of schedule (more events) but they have watered down the sport by trying to homogenize the sport and let's not even get into their monopoly.

Mma will be better once the number one org puts the arts back in mma and starts respecting the code of ethics it bestows upon its true students. Only then shall we see a shift in consciousness away from the bro era and more towards a mature Olympic type level feel to it.

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Post by Hamilcar on Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:02 am

I'm still trying to picture a Chinese UFC. Would it be RUFF or the MMA version of Kunlun?

Would it still be a US based? If it is completely in Chinese hands, you would see alot more Chinese fighters (cool), but then alot of setup matches against white amateurs.
I am not sure the Chinese could handle their own getting humiliating beatdowns by black fighters, as well as white, fighters.

One thing though, I think I would look forward to the change if it is still US based. There would likely be some interesting innovations if it is US based with alot of Chinese input. I feel like the type of Chinese who would run something like this, would be more imaginative and creative if given free reign and not have to listen to some CCP billionaire.

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Post by Hamilcar on Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:06 am

Another thought: Imagine if the UFC gets sold to China. We might have a bunch of Chinese fighters coming to the US to train.

The relative lack of skill of some Chinese fighters is more due to not having coaches who have been in the business for twenty-some years than some weird cultural theory some people have.

It would be interesting to see what happens.

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Post by nodogoshi on Fri Jun 17, 2016 5:11 am

Hamilcar wrote:Another thought: Imagine if the UFC gets sold to China.  We might have a bunch of Chinese fighters coming to the US to train.

The relative lack of skill of some Chinese fighters is more due to not having coaches who have been in the business for twenty-some years than some weird cultural theory some people have.

It would be interesting to see what happens.

I'm no Chinese nutthugger, but they'll probably succeed for one reason: they have money for days (it's called being "well capitalized" in technical parlance).

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Post by stu3ufc on Fri Jun 17, 2016 6:38 am

To the person saying a new affliction style org can get popular buy losing money on events..... no chance! No REAL smart business man will ever go 3 years wasting their money and time for a profit. huge risk!

They wouldnt have become wealthy in the first place by doing such reckless things.

Real business men want to make the most profit and that means paying fighters next to nothing!

and that goes with the UFC they arent just gonna start bleeding money if they bought the thing

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Post by warrior23 on Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:32 am

Guys you will understand why Dana and Fertittas are so much for the ufc when they'll leave. It will turn to a shitty organization, non regulated, it will turn either to sth like Rizin or to sth like bellator. Unless the new guys create a relationship with Dana etc and continue this model with the same type of ideas.

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