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Post by Dagwood on Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:40 am




IMO - Dana & Lorenzo will never let Josh Barnett fight in the UFC again. He is a nightmare fight for every HW in the division.

The answer to the JDS, Overeem or Velasquez riddle is Barnett's extreme durability, superior wrestling, submission game & experience that none of those guys can stop. None! Josh is a baaaaad match up for all of those guys and they know it. So, do the Zuffa brain-trust. Dana & Lorenzo can't afford exposing their top guys. Dana's also talked do much shit about Josh over the years he would have swallow his PRIDE to sig Josh. I just don't see that happening.



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Re: Josh Barnett never to fight in UFC... even if he wins SFGP

Post by PRIDE NEVER DIE on Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:50 am

I agree with you here, Zuffa would much rather deal with cormier(sp?) because they know that even though he is good and did beat bigfoot he is undersized for a hw and it would lead to him eventually losing to reem or cain(jds is a joke nothing more then a lucky punch champ imo). They know Josh is still dangerous and can stop thier "top" guys even the reem(but reem also can stop Josh). But I much rather Josh stay clear of them anyway and help the sport grow globally and hopefully a superfight with Fedor.

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Post by IQ Wrestler on Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:44 am

I gotta disagree.
There is no chance in hell ZUFFA won't bring him up if he beats DC.

Dana won't let a guy who just won such a major "tournament" and who has so many loyal fans go to DREAM or Bellator. Can you imagine the numbers Fedor vs Barnett could do in Japan or Russia!? God, Fedor pulls 25k + fighting guys like Monson and Ishii, a fight with Josh would be astronomical.

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Post by Segal_Brazilian Master on Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:06 am

JB would be a threat to the title in any organization

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Post by KSW on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:13 am

Segal_Brazilian Master wrote:JB would be a threat to the title in any organization
No doubt. Barnett would be the perfect champion for M-1, KSW and DREAM. He would give them the attention they need and I truly hope he doesn´t sign with the UFC. They already got their share of top fighters.

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Post by Wolfman on Sun Feb 19, 2012 12:20 pm

Their loss. The guy's a beast and can rape almost their entire division.

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Post by monaroCountry on Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:07 pm

Josh is a great fighter who could beat all of Zuffa's overhyped fighters. If he did this then he would expose them for what they really are. Overeem and Fedor has the biggest chance against Josh.

Josh is also pretty popular and very active inside and outside MMA, especially in Japan where the guy is raking in the big bucks. Josh might be too expensive for Zuffa to acquire because of it.

Thirdly is that Josh doesnt need the UFC and I dont see him continually kissing up to Zuffa and Dana.

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Post by IQ Wrestler on Sun Feb 19, 2012 1:37 pm

The only real problem I see that would stop Josh going to UFC is Pro Wrestling. We all know UFC own your soul once you sign and I'm not sure he would want to give up IGF...but this is probably his last chance at a UFC and he can always go back to puro later.

However you can never tell. Josh isn't the kind of guy who likes being bossed around and believe me, Inoki takes very good care of Josh, so who knows.

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Post by Audax on Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:09 pm

i must see Barnett put Mir to sleep or rip his legs apart.

a fight with Werdum would be pretty cool to see too.

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Post by MMArx on Sun Feb 19, 2012 9:16 pm

Josh Barnett's bottom game is trash. He was outgrappled by Cro Cop in their second fight...


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Post by monaroCountry on Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:11 pm

Cain and JDS's bottom game is also not very good, Josh could easily win these two fights and would knock Mir's head off.

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Post by Van Halen MMA on Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:33 am

Barnett is the darkhorse of the MMA HW division. The guy has the grappling skills to beat anyone. The only other guy that comes close is Guram

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Post by KSW on Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:39 am

Van Halen MMA wrote:Barnett is the darkhorse of the MMA HW division. The guy has the grappling skills to beat anyone. The only other guy that comes close is Guram
I agree about Barnett and I hope Guram will be the next big thing. So far Guram hasn´t been tested against a top level grappler so it´s hard to tell how good he really is. In the stand up Barnett is much better.

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Post by wekka on Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:35 am

monaroCountry wrote:Cain and JDS's bottom game is also not very good, Josh could easily win these two fights and would knock Mir's head off.

And when exactly have we ever even seen JDS' bottom game?

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Post by marchegiano on Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:56 am

That doesn't make any sense. UFC is there to make money.

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Post by wekka on Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:59 am


I knew someone was going to bring up the Ferreira fight.
Looks like he swept him, not bad for a BJJ novice at the time. He got caught in an armbar that he'd probably never even put himself in that kind of position nowadays.

Its called evolution. He's improved leaps and bounds since then.

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Post by PRIDE NEVER DIE on Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:42 am

moronoRepublic wrote:

I knew someone was going to bring up the Ferreira fight.
Looks like he swept him, not bad for a BJJ novice at the time. He got caught in an armbar that he'd probably never even put himself in that kind of position nowadays.

Its called evolution. He's improved leaps and bounds since then.
so you agree with have seen some of his ground game. old or not.

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Post by Kinosis on Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:32 am

moronoRepublic wrote:

I knew someone was going to bring up the Ferreira fight.
Looks like he swept him, not bad for a BJJ novice at the time. He got caught in an armbar that he'd probably never even put himself in that kind of position nowadays.

Its called evolution. He's improved leaps and bounds since then.

It's pretty hard to claim his ground game has since we haven't seen it since, except for when Carwin got him in that choke and he looked like a deer in headlights.

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Post by monaroCountry on Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:38 am

moronoRepublic wrote:

I knew someone was going to bring up the Ferreira fight.
Looks like he swept him, not bad for a BJJ novice at the time. He got caught in an armbar that he'd probably never even put himself in that kind of position nowadays.

Its called evolution. He's improved leaps and bounds since then.

What ground game are you talking about? JDS hasnt shown nor is he exactly known for his ground game or any ground game for that matter.

Im not one to get fooled by Zuffa propaganda on how JDS and Brock has a top knock submission skills or how Cain and Carwin have top notch striking game beyond your basic jab jab right straight combo.

These evolution garbage is just that.

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Post by wekka on Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:48 am

Did I ever say JDS was on the level of Werdum or Minotauro? Didn't think so.
He's got a brown belt under Nogueira, so he obviously has a general grasp jiu-jitsu. I never called him a world-beater in regards to grappling.

You act as if evolution is so unheard of. Everyone as a mixed martial artist has evolved in some way or form. Fedor from calculated assassin to cold blooded killer, Werdum from a one dimension jiu jitsu expert to an extremely well rounded fighter, Sandro from an incredibly strong grappler to one of the most devastating knockout artists in the past ten years.
You can tell from that fight that JDS improved, his TDD was looked practically non-existant, now he has some of the best in all of MMA.

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Post by monaroCountry on Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:04 am

moronoRepublic wrote:Did I ever say JDS was on the level of Werdum or Minotauro? Didn't think so.
He's got a brown belt under Nogueira, so he obviously has a general grasp jiu-jitsu. I never called him a world-beater in regards to grappling.

You act as if evolution is so unheard of. Everyone as a mixed martial artist has evolved in some way or form. Fedor from calculated assassin to cold blooded killer, Werdum from a one dimension jiu jitsu expert to an extremely well rounded fighter, Sandro from an incredibly strong grappler to one of the most devastating knockout artists in the past ten years.
You can tell from that fight that JDS improved, his TDD was looked practically non-existant, now he has some of the best in all of MMA.

Fighters back in the days were doing the same thing.

Take for example Werdum v Fedor, both started off as grapplers and both won mainly through grappling in their early years, both then improved from their base and developed a great striking game to compliment their top ground game. Then you have Brock Lesnar and Bob Sapp, both use their weight and power to overwhelm their opponents, both has pretty basic grappling and striking, and both will run away from punches.

JDS and his much hyped about TDD. The fact is that JDS hasnt really shown much submission game and hasnt spent much time on the ground. He might be good against your typical single and double leg which is common in America. He is lucky that UFC is very American centric, there are many other ways to take down an opponent, ways i.e. various trips that the Japanese and Russians in particular more often use.

Name me 3 of the most well rounded MMA HW fighters today, all would be part of the old guards i.e. Fedor, Josh Barnett, and Overeem.

MMA hasnt really evolved, we just have new faces and fighters getting old (nothing new here).

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Post by PRIDE NEVER DIE on Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:39 am

monaroCountry wrote:
moronoRepublic wrote:Did I ever say JDS was on the level of Werdum or Minotauro? Didn't think so.
He's got a brown belt under Nogueira, so he obviously has a general grasp jiu-jitsu. I never called him a world-beater in regards to grappling.

You act as if evolution is so unheard of. Everyone as a mixed martial artist has evolved in some way or form. Fedor from calculated assassin to cold blooded killer, Werdum from a one dimension jiu jitsu expert to an extremely well rounded fighter, Sandro from an incredibly strong grappler to one of the most devastating knockout artists in the past ten years.
You can tell from that fight that JDS improved, his TDD was looked practically non-existant, now he has some of the best in all of MMA.

Fighters back in the days were doing the same thing.

Take for example Werdum v Fedor, both started off as grapplers and both won mainly through grappling in their early years, both then improved from their base and developed a great striking game to compliment their top ground game. Then you have Brock Lesnar and Bob Sapp, both use their weight and power to overwhelm their opponents, both has pretty basic grappling and striking, and both will run away from punches.

JDS and his much hyped about TDD. The fact is that JDS hasnt really shown much submission game and hasnt spent much time on the ground. He might be good against your typical single and double leg which is common in America. He is lucky that UFC is very American centric, there are many other ways to take down an opponent, ways i.e. various trips that the Japanese and Russians in particular more often use.

Name me 3 of the most well rounded MMA HW fighters today, all would be part of the old guards i.e. Fedor, Josh Barnett, and Overeem.

MMA hasnt really evolved, we just have new faces and fighters getting old (nothing new here).
Agreed. People act like these new guys are far advanced when in reality they are NOT, what they do have is either youth or not many miles on the body. Cool

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Post by Dagwood on Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:49 am

PRIDE NEVER DIE wrote:
Agreed. People act like these new guys are far advanced when in reality they are NOT, what they do have is either youth or not many miles on the body. Cool

That's exactly why I got rid of my ex-wife!

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Post by monaroCountry on Mon Feb 20, 2012 6:39 am

PRIDE NEVER DIE wrote:Agreed. People act like these new guys are far advanced when in reality they are NOT, what they do have is either youth or not many miles on the body. Cool

Agree.

Someone like Fedor went basically top of the tree in Judo, top of the tree in Sambo/Combat Sambo, and top of the tree in MMA. His experience in all three disciplines amounts to more than a lifetime for a specialists.

Yet people still expect him to not be battle worn after thousands of fights. They compare him to someone with less than 15 fights in their overall career.

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